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Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:34 pm

I've discussed this with Finlay Archibald via PM, and he suggested I start a forum thread for further discussion with the members.

I think that a great way to promote PPUK to students would be to have a website specifically aimed at student Pirates, covering our aims and policies and explaining their relevance to students. Let's say we have a website ppsoc.org.uk (or whatever, the domain isn't important right now). On this website would be information about the PPUK's policies, specifically focussing on students; why the PPUK is the right party for the digital age, with a subsection covering students; and information about student campaigns, such as freshers' week recruitment drives.

Of course, we could do that with the current website, just have a student section. But that's only a part of my idea, I also propose that PPUK student societies be hosted on a subdomain (say, uni.ppsoc.org.uk), with a map of societies on the main website to make it easy to find them. Additionally, the main website could have news from the individual societies (perhaps broken down by region to avoid information overload); also, information to help Pirates form societies at universities without one—such as a stock constitution and goals. Officers in societies would get an @uni.ppsoc.org.uk email address (what about the username scheme though—I propose leaving it up to individual societies to decide that). Finally, the individual society websites would all link back to the main website, and possibly share a common appearance.

I think that this would work because it would:
  • Explain our policies and why students should care/are affected
  • Provide a simple way to find or get help founding a society
  • Aid communication between societies
  • Aid widespread campaigns

I think that our policies are perfect for students (as should be evidenced by the number of young members), and that an attractive and useful website is the ideal medium to promote ourselves through.

Things that need thinking about:

People: I can code it all given a week or so. However, my design, image-editing, and content-writing skills are rather weak.
Name: I like "PPSoc", but I'm notoriously bad at names.
Email: Allowing societies to set up new email addresses (I'm thinking just forwarders) would require privileged access to a mailserver.
Societies: Would need to choose someone to handle their web stuff, such as their own website and email addresses. Though I don't imagine this would be a problem.
CMS: A CMS would need to be built to manage the main website and mini-sites. This shouldn't be a problem.

I have a few ideas of what the design (of the main page, at least) should be like, so I'll have a go at making a mockup later.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:08 pm

I'd love to help you code this! Although, I don't like the domain. Domain names should be friendly to read and you should be able to guess correctly what to expect on the page when you click on a URL, ppsoc.co.uk doesn't do that.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:18 pm

Yes, the domain needs work. I'm not good with names.

Potential design thingy (I said I was bad at graphics…). The large image would be a carousel of campaign and/or studenty pictures, with links to appropriate pages. Idea: perhaps we don;t need a separate page for "Why?" and "Policies". Perhaps just a why page.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:27 pm

I was thinking of something AJAX-ey on the front page with a United Kingdom image and all of the universities and colleges with societies registered are highlighted and clickable to see that society.

Thoughts? I'm shit with graphics too, so I hope you can visualize what I thought.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby scuzzmonkey » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:43 pm

register ppuk.org.uk (why we haven't already is beyond me) and use {university}.ppuk.org.uk

ala

newcastle.ppuk.org.uk
leeds.ppuk.org.uk
leedsmet.ppuk.org.uk
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:47 pm

Yes, I think that'd work. Perhaps have it so that when you hover over a university/college with a society, a box appears next to the map with some basic information (eg, brief description, any upcoming events, contact email address).

@scuzzmonkey: I didn't even think to look for that domain, I just assumed you guys'd already have it…
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:20 am

Yeah something like that. I'll leave this until the weekend and see if anyone wants to join in with this, if not, we'll bang our heads together next week and get started on it. Can't be arsed waiting for approval, so if we don't get any offers for help over the next few days, we'll just do it!
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:49 pm

I've just registered ppuk.org.uk, because otherwise (with my luck) someone would probably have registered it by the weekend.

The only difficulty I can foresee is setting up email addresses and subdomains - unless we want to have to do that manually every time there is a change (a pain, at the very least) we'd probably need access to a mail server and apache configs (hence: VPS). I currently only have a shared hosting account, and can't really afford a VPS on top of that…
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:00 pm

I would hope that we can speak to the web team and get a git or svn repository set up on the PPUK server and we can work on the site on our own local servers and then commit changes back to the server. That would be the most efficient way for me.

Regarding subdomains, just have it wildcarded in the apache configurations and let PHP take it from there with prepending configuration files.

Regarding mail, Google FTW.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:18 pm

Does google have a nice API to make new mail accounts? It'd be great to give heads of individual societies a control panel where they can add, edit, or delete mail accounts (or forwarders). I could do that with cron and postfix, but not sure about anything else.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:23 pm

Can't say I've ever looked to see if we can use a Google API, I've always just logged in and done it.

I have used postfix and dbmail before, and I would be happy to use it, but we would need a separate server to run it, and then it also offers headaches for dealing with spam attacks, and none of us have the time to do that.

At least with Google I can confidently say, I have only ever experienced downtime twice in the last X years of me using it (ever since they let custom domains use their service).
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby PeterBrett » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:48 pm

Don't forget that if you use Google Apps it has a pretty limited maximum number of e-mail accounts you can use for free, doesn't it?
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:59 pm

We have a server now, so I'm just sorting all of this stuff out.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby M2Ys4U » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:06 pm

For the web side of it, Could just use the same code, but have it switch databases depending on the subdonain.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:49 pm

Hmm, I was just going to have everything in one database, but separate databases could be easier.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby borgs8472 » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:27 pm

I'd like to just note I'm paying close attention to the various issues being raised here and plan to follow everything up.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:07 am

borgs8472 wrote:I'd like to just note I'm paying close attention to the various issues being raised here and plan to follow everything up.



such as?

And re: databases, there are reasons to keep it in one and reasons to have multiple databases. I think we should go with the latter for security purposes.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby barrucadu » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:28 am

It would also simplify the code and database schema somewhat.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby PeterBrett » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:31 am

To me, it's much more important that it works and does what is required than that it achieves perfection in its engineering elegance.
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Re: Pirate Students website

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:36 am

PeterBrett wrote:To me, it's much more important that it works and does what is required than that it achieves perfection in its engineering elegance.


And to me, both are equally as important.
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