neilea wrote:oh dear, why the Braveheart........please
neilea wrote:Certainly not my cup of tea, pictures of a supposed gun target against a royal car??
|Link to this video|
neilea wrote:Not politics in my book. There's freedom of speech, and a place for that site of yours.
That just turned me away.........
PeterDow wrote:O ar, Jim lad, pieces of eight. (How am I doing so far?)
Why is the movie "Braveheart" ... less acceptable in poliitcs [sic] than a pirate film, say "Pirates of the Caribbean"
Finlay_A wrote:PeterDow wrote:O ar, Jim lad, pieces of eight. (How am I doing so far?)
Finlay_A wrote:Why is the movie "Braveheart" ... less acceptable in poliitcs [sic] than a pirate film, say "Pirates of the Caribbean"
LOLWUT?! I don't think we have ever used "Pirates of the Carribean" as propaganda for reforming copyright laws.
PeterDow wrote:which someone might think of when they read of "the Pirate Party", though to be fair, I don't see anything quite so graphic in this website.
Finlay_A wrote:If you think "Braveheart" is anything but
Finlay_A wrote: a revisionist,
Finlay_A wrote:homophobic, childish excuse to hate the English
Finlay_A wrote: from a bigotted anti-semitic sexist fundie disgraced wash-up of an actor, then you sir are a fool.
William Wallace, Guardian of Scotland
Mel Gibson - From hero to zero
Oh dear! I am so disappointed in having to give this political lesson but it is unavoidable. Mel Gibson, as the star of Braveheart, is associated with this entertaining version of the William Wallace story and we Scots owe Mel our thanks for that. Now the bad news.
I must disassociate myself, the Scottish National Standard Bearer website and the Braveheart movie from what appears to be the perverse anti-Semitic abuse said by Mel Gibson while being arrested for drunk driving early Friday 28th July 2006, as was reported by CBS and Sky News TV (View video).
Now to give Mel his due, he has apologised for his abusive barrage but, as was pointed out in the Jon Stewart video clip (right), Gibson has made it possible for NBC and others to take licence and sully the reputation of Braveheart.
So for the record, I'm identifying the William Wallace story and Braveheart as part of the centuries-long struggle AGAINST anti-Semitism.
Obviously, "Freedom!" means the freedom to be a Jew or not, according to your preference.
In addition, the enemy of William Wallace and the Scots was King Edward I "Longshanks" who was an infamous anti-Semite - as bad in his time as Hitler was in his.
So the Scots have long fought against bigotry of all kinds. We Scots are proud of that, proud of William Wallace and proud of Braveheart - an invaluable source of inspiration for a Scottish patriot.
We'd like to be proud of Mel Gibson too but he really needs to get his politics and his alcoholism sorted out first.
Gibson may lose his licence to drive in court but anyway I would say he has lost any licence to speak for Braveheart the movie or its fans in future.
Get some help Mel - and make friends with some Jews!
Meantime, if we are needing a spokesperson for "Braveheart", I'd nominate the movie's writer - Randall Wallace.
Finlay_A wrote:I consider myslef to be a republican,
Finlay_A wrote:and I am embarrassed by the things you are trying to pass off as "politics".
Finlay_A wrote:There is a respectable movement
Finlay_A wrote: that seeks to inform and educate the public about the possibility of a secular, constitutional republic with an elected head of state. It's called Republic,
Finlay_A wrote:and is supported by many MPs, MSPs,
Finlay_A wrote: academics
Finlay_A wrote:and celebrities.
Finlay_A wrote: Don't ruin it for them.
Finlay_A wrote:Oh, by the way Republic don't use the Royal Standard of Scotland to to represent their cause. That's becasue they know it always has been and always will be a symbol of royalty in Scotland. Anyone taking a casual glance (i.e. not reading your sign) at you walking down the street would be forgiven for mistaking you for a royalist nutter, wearing a 'uniform' covered in royal insignia.
The functions and duties of a Scottish National Standard Bearer
Therefore Queen Elizabeth, with her limited abilities and tendency to betray any trust in her, has no business misusing the Lion Rampant by incorporating it as part of her royal standard.
Scots should not accept this misuse of our standard.
Instead, we should endeavour to reclaim the Lion Rampant for use by the nation's true leaders.
Nowadays, Scottish republicans have a better claim to the Lion Rampant than any royalist.
Admittedly, in ancient times, Scotland's actual leaders may well have been the Scottish Kings and Queens. However, times have changed, and for the better.
Nowadays, the Scottish nation's true leaders are the best politicians and campaigners whose democratic principles and intelligence lead them to demand the election of a President as the head of state for Scotland.
Now, Scotland's best leaders are REPUBLICANS, NOT ROYALISTS!
If the Lion Rampant is to be a Scottish national leadership symbol - and I believe that it should - then Scottish Republicans should claim ownership of this flag.
In non-political and non-military circumstances, such as at sporting events, fans bearing the Lion Rampant should merely be of exemplary behaviour, so as not to disgrace the Scottish nation.
The Lion Rampant truly belongs to those leaders who can really defend the interests of the Scottish people.
The Lion Rampant, in a modern political context, is NOT, repeat NOT, for those who merely claim, as Elizabeth does, "I am Queen of Scots" or, as Charles wants to, "I am King of Scots".
None of the Windsors have the leadership abilities that would entitle them to use the Lion Rampant.
Additionally, it would be an error and an omission on the part of a novice Scottish republican who allowed the royalists unchallenged use of an important national symbol like the Lion Rampant flag.
True Scottish republicans, like myself, are the true Scottish patriots, after all. Therefore, it is we Scottish republicans who are entitled to use all Scottish patriotic symbols.
On the other hand, royalists now seem doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past and so forever to betray Scotland. Therefore it is time for these modern-day traitors to Scotland to relinquish the Lion Rampant to their political betters.
M2Ys4U wrote:Nice to know the the pirates active on the forum are still polite, welcoming people.
glambert wrote:technically though, he could well be a PPUK candidate, as the party does not whip candidates on non-pirate issues, and he does agree with core beliefs... unless it would be deemed to bring PPUK into disrepute?
plooterman wrote:M2Ys4U wrote:Nice to know the the pirates active on the forum are still polite, welcoming people.
Do you think this is the sort of person we should be welcoming?
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